Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. 51. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. If you think that any rational thought is dangerous because it may lead you to believe something different than what the IFB believes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 50. Im not IFB but I still believe in tithes and offerings. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. They are counting on your service and tithe. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. . WebSecond, it is Fundamental. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). What sorrow awaits you! I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? I am also against body piercings as well. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? 40. Everyone has sent in their life. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. They said no mixed bathing. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. Sons of vipers! If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati I had my part. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. Does the lord convict me when I miss? Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Correction is my discernment. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. People are people and free to choose their own way. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. This is an assumption.. However, it wasnt Baptists that ordained him and of the IFB folks I know, they are lukewarm to the Scofield bible. Abortion is murder. We reject all cooperation with this movement. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. I only hope that you will see it before too long. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Thanks. If I have misunderstood I apologize. 16 Blind guides! 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. The New Testament church should be an independent church. 24. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Does he always heal people no. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! Hypocrites! However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. They had made an idol out of church attendance. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. So I did. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. OMG! 11. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). Im not responsible for how its perceived. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. 41. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. You might Only the KJV will be used in this group; The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. 2. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. ? Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. 1. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. Wow. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? People need Jesuswhats the big deal? You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. That makes no sense. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. There isn't much out there on the web. I forgave him before he changed. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Did you read it? No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . I want to respond to your #30. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. 7. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. 39. We believe in salvation by grace We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. THE LAST THINGS They all work together. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? 5. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. 20. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). N/A Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Do you find them so humorous ? We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. Baptists believe the Bible and strive to live according to its teaching. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government.
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