That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. Theres more to success than merely landing a good one on the chin. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. If the .35 Rem. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. So, if you have an interest in carrying an ultra-rare cartridge of impeccable pedigree, you either roll your own or have someone load it for you. Mag. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. Any of these will handle just about any big game one might hunt with a .358 Norma, where you want to employ its ample knockdown power. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. of muzzle energy. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. If we compare the .300 Win. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Mag. I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. I rely on, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. I believe it never will. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Most rifle elk hunting is not like bowhunting during the bugling season. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. In addition, for stopping the big predators of the world, it's hard to beat a suitable .35 caliber rifle. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. Perhaps thats why it has survived. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. Mag. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. The .300 Rem. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. .50 Beowulf. Norma loads their 250-grain Oryx bullet to this velocity, and as the rear portion of the bullet is bonded, it will give an excellent blend of expansion and penetration. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. Here in North America big game starts with deer. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. and .358 Norma Mag.). We've got you covered. .22 LR7mm-08 Remington8mm Remington Magnum.338 Federal.224 Valkyrie.338-06 A-Square9.3x62mm Mauser.257 Weatherby Magnum.45-70 Government.300 H&H Magnum.25-06 Remington.30-06 Springfield6.5 Creedmoor.300 Remington Ultra Magnum7mm Remington Magnum.470 Nitro Express.280 Remington.300 Winchester Magnum.270 Winchester.222 Remington.45 ACP.404 Jeffery.44 Remington Magnum.41 Remington Magnum.243 Winchester.338 Winchester Magnum.357 S&W Magnum6.5-284 Norma8x57 Mauser.38 Smith & Wesson Special7x57mm Mauser9 mm Luger.35 Whelen.454 Casull.375 H&H Magnum.45 Colt.22-250 Remington10mm Auto.308 Winchester. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. The 600 Magnum suffered from a barrel that was too short at 18 inches. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. Not so the .358 Norma. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. In an age of ultra-specializatio in every field, and especially rifles, such versatility is almost an anachronism. All Rights Reserved. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. I have become a 35 cal. offered the performance level of the .358 Win. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. You can start with the 6.5mms. These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. I was wrong. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. compare 338/06 vs 338 win, and 35 whelen vs 358 norma vs 358 alaskan (stw) loaded to same pressure. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. The .35 Whelen is a necked up medium bore wildcat cartridge that was created by necking up a .30-06 Springfield case which is famously overpowered for the 30-caliber bullet it propels. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. The Swedish firm of A.B. Mag. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. It is capable of driving a. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. As it was released in the first century of the . In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. Released in 1908, the .350 Rigby Magnum is an entirely original design, with no parent cartridge. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? Looks like I'll do a Whelen. The .35 Rem. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. There is only .007-inch (seven thousandths) difference between the .270s .277-inch bullet and the 7mms .284-inch bullet. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. I see no reason to shy away from it. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. I have one, and I like it a lot. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. Mag. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Honestly, the concept of being overgunned is somewhat mystifying to me, provided you can place the shot. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. And for the larger antelope species, like any of the eland, wildebeest, zebra and roan, the .350 Rigby Magnum is a sound choice. .470 Nitro Express. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. There werent many factory .358 Norma Magnum rifles mademost were Husqvarnas or Schultz & Larsensbut many American gunsmiths converted the Mauser 98, Springfield 03-A3 and the like to the big .35, as it made an absolutely perfect choice for those headed north to Alaska. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. and .32 Rem. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. G. Joined: Sep 2009. R Rocky But there is no compelling reason to consider a caliber larger than .35. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. By Layne Simpson. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. Posts: 46,063. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. Original Schultz & Larsens had substantial freebore to keep pressures down, and Normas specifications for the cartridge called for it. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil. It is, as you say, a thumper. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. My vote is for the .35 Whelen. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Cartridges of .25 caliber and below are not ideal elk cartridges, especially if a big bull is a potential. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. PerH AH fanatic Joined May 8, 2021 Messages 536 Reaction score 813 Location Norway Articles 2 Jun 4, 2021 #5 Follow along to see exactly how. Also, the 35 Whelen will not do much that your 350 and 358 already do, if anything. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. Cartridges that in many cases cannot match the killing power, at normal hunting ranges, of comparable .35's. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. So it is fair to say that, over the years, .35 caliber rifles at least have caught the interest of the gun and ammo manufacturers, if not the general shooting public. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time.
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