If you've already created an accountcheck out the s. Just like the CEO promised us rowing years ago, right? I am racing in the Cs finishing in the 40-50s but there are 30 + racers ahead of me posting watt/kilo of A, and strong B racers. My weight is showing orange everytime. But I also did it because I knew it was great practice! Tour de Zwift events were races? Mate youre a legend. Then everyone would know who is legit or at least somewhat legit. ), You say at the end..you do you, it doesnt affect anyone. Congratulations John on your retirement and Zwift is a great retirement present. As soon as I start pedaling Im pretty much into threshold (around 170bpm). Fluctuations of a few percent would be tolerated and percent change would be displayed on ZP. Note how he wins races while his max HR is around 30 beats below his maximum. No one is going to lose or gain 5kg overnight or shrink a 1cm. Well, imagine youre a strong C racer. As there is no official A+ CAT there is nothing to worry about, but if there were, I would be right between A and A+. Just the fact that you need a third party (ZP) to validate race results really says it all. This is real frustrating as hes a top u12 racer and wants to see his efforts recognise. It this fair? IRL I am 85kgs and cant pretend to be 65kgs. I dont know why this is, but i dont care one bit if people are cheating. i was just having a similar discussion with my old lady about watts and weights, etc. The latest race content, interviews, features, reviews and expert buying guides, direct to your inbox! this is how it is in real life , big ian stannard putting in hard fast miles on the front for (was) team sky , while all the small guys tuck in the peloton getting drafted along saving energy for later on in the race , because they can`t compete on the flat with the big boys . Many riders is talking about cheating, when someone enters a lower category but it's not, in my opinion. And this is why reverse weight doping is a thing. MyRead more . ur allowed +/- 5% weight for pro zwift races so +/- 0.5 kg is not going to make a difference :p. add weight if u want to stay in D. lower weight if u wanna move to C. up 2 u. Nailed it. bottom line for me, its a virtual training world, a virtual hammer isnt the same as a real hammer. If other people want to obsess about my weight thats up to them but I wont. You could attend races where all categories go together (same start, all riders visible) for a while if you find that to be more fun You do you. If I wanted to win I just drop my weight to 65kgs 350w/65kgs is a lot better than 350w/85kgs, of course 350w/65kg is better than 350w/85kg, its a massive increase in w/kg. Wow, cheating !! indispensabile essere sinceri nel dichiarare il proprio peso , per se stessi e per il rispetto degli altri . The categorization system is, like you say, fundamentally flawed. Honest mistake on my part and one I wont make again, so fair enough to be filtered outRead more , Related (and apologies if the answer is obvious but Ive only done one Zwift race), really what is the point of the categories? It's possible to check just about any kind of Zwift result using ZwiftPower, with the website sortable by leagues, race series and segments. However, insecure Freds jumpingRead more , I am new to Zwift, but I do wonder how it is youll see a bunch of people finish at the front of a D race at 4-5 W/kg. But since there are no clear rules on it at this time, its a bit of a self-policing thing with a fair amount of grey area. If people want to cheat, they will and can do so in any uncontrolled situation. The easiest way to qualify for a higher category is to cut weight. Racers who get top 1,2,3 more than a few times get upgraded period. It's a bit more complicated than most website sign-ups, but now you'll be all ready to get started. What you see a lot are riders who are (claiming) to be really light with decent but not exceptional watts. As we said in the first post, Assuming race organizers can access the data via ZwiftPower, and the site includes simple tools for spotting potential weight or height dopers (perhaps flagging those who made dramatic changes recently), then hiding weight and height data from the public should work swimmingly.. Why no monitoring on this? Zwift essentially encourages people to be less than truthful about their weight. All rights reserved. I rarely race, don't care. Riders weight will rise and fall but under normal circumstances within a range. Sandbagging is pointless if winning means youre going to move up (unless you want to take 3 months off after your win. Withings scale that automatically updates your Zwift weight, a month ago in the final post of my race category series, https://smartscalesync.com/?utm_source=tr, https://zwiftpower.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5528, https://zwiftinsider.com/how-does-zwift-calculate-my-speed/, Zwift x UCI To Host Cycling Events for the Olympic Esports Series 2023, Race London ZRacing March Series Details, Notable Zwift Events for the Weekend of March 4-5. Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. No race Chester worth their salt pops in and changed weight ahead of a race, what they do is post the wrong weight and leave it there. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. England and Wales company registration number 2008885. I dont really race so I am OK and any workouts are harder this way. Your voice is important to us. Now you'll have to head over to ZwiftPower.com and register there. So I just bumped myself up to the B group and went faster overall simply because there were faster people to draft off of. I dont mind the low HRs but the low power and high w/kg really irk me! We check over 250 million products every day for the best prices. Yes us heavier riders have the downhill advantage definitely. Have you ever compared numbers for calories burned, power output and even elevation ridden for a Zwift ride uploaded to Strava? This isnt IRL racing it is e-racing. I completely agree with the last paragraph here. are clay hart and sally flynn still married; composite chart 12th house; tupperware party points; st francis of assisi school jobs Launch Zwift and go to the Menu. This raised concerns within the Zwift Racing Community regarding fairness in racing. thanks for the help with the graphs. EDIT Found my answer: 250w, Theres a chart about halfway down this page: https://zwiftpower.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=5528. If so, that makes sense to me and I can absolutely see the point of that. Doing this will bring up a box at the bottom of the browser showing a web address something similar to: https://s3-fit-prd-uswest2-zwift.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/000000/a2e1b7f8-27610843. .Personally I one of the outliers on height and weight. This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. Racing on the Zwift virtual platform has only increased, with the professionals getting in on the act, too, via the Zwift Tour for All, the Virtual Tour of the Gila, and e-races organised by Team Ineos. As long as the button to enter a lower cat is active, riders will Press It. However, I was able to navigate to the settings page by doing the following. look at the article. People can be far to either direction im 25 and my max that I have hit is 217. But it highlights a bigger problem, and that is the fundamental flaw of using watts per kilo for race categorization. In order to ride with him I have to drop my weight to allow me to keep up. This is why for a while I was ranked as a C even though my w/kg was higher than 3.2 since my watts werent over 200. Last week I jumped into my first race and it was at the last minute on a whim because I was getting tired of my training ride. otherwise no way in hell hes beating you. Maybe with a KICKR Climb it might be possible. And atRead more . Honest and goal driven. Maybe they should display and categorise HR as a %age? I tried racing a D race, and finished way off the front behind about 2/3 of riders after Id ridden at 2.9W/kg for the race. This calculates that this heavy rider would take 23:14 to do the distance a justRead more , Everyone has a sweet spot for weight. As a 59/60kg rider who always seems to have a higher w/kg than the people I finish around, Ive been curious about adding 50% to both my weight and http://ftp. ZwiftPower use 95% of your best 20 minutes during the whole race, so it does not matter if the race is 21 min or 3 hours, you will still be categorized the same way. You must be a much better person than me, because thats something I will Never make peace with. As a Triathlete, I have a different perspective when racing and riding on Zwift because the vast majority of Zwifters (according to Zwift and Strava) are only cycling; whereas Im also training by Running and Swimming. Im assuming you should weigh just before getting on the bike with all kit including shoes and not just before stepping into the post-ride shower (shorn of all kit and approx 1kg of sweat). The categories are the cycling equivalent to weight classes in boxing. 2 Likes _Jynxy_EVO (:)) October 1, 2021, 1:41pm #8 thxs mike, Heres how it works. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. On a flat ride I would beat every sub 60kg cat B rider too. It all has to do with the way Zwifts racing categories work. (and dont do organized rides for fairness) so I dont have resistance changes and sometimes zwift reports extraordinary power readings for a ride. Which brings me to todays topic: reverse weight doping. I dont think it can all be attributed to weight; it appears that some hardware tweaks can scale up the reported power output. It just makes a mockery of the whole system. How do you actually update your weight on ZP?? I agree with what you say Eric but the weight doping does negatively impact the casual rider if they are following other riders in a casual/social ride. My best race results as a Zwift B are on flatter routes, and I find my watts per kilo are consistently lower than most of the riders around me. On one occasion I entered a flat race (Laguardia Loop) following my ZP category (class C), finished almost three minutes down (though since it was a small field I still got third place), and then was disqualified for averaging 3.6 w/kg and 206 watts. I am currently 145kg and have not experienced any bullying so far. I averaged between 300 and 310 watts for all segments and my heart sat pretty consistently between 140 and 144.Read more , saying x number of watts per kg at xxx hr is flawed anyways max and resting hr can vary alot. People with eating disorders, or a proclivity toward extreme dieting. What is that!?! I have tended to notice that a significant number of powerful zwifters real world Strava performances pale in comparison to their online achievements. However, I do understand Kens point. We like this move from Zwift. Privacy Policy, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More). I have just accepted that at my height I will always be heavier than the average cyclist. I take issue with the weight doping is okay in none competitive events because of strava. Contribute a post, shop through us, make a donation, advertise on this site. It doesnt appear that people are abiding by the categories. Totally agree with you. On Zwift Power categories have both a wattage requirement and a w/kg requirement. Current category system simply allows very fast but heavy riders to race in categories lower than their actual abilities. Im sure it happens, but I would guess its pretty rare certainly less of a problem than normal weight doping. I started started zwift four months ago as a retirement present to myself. 2 yr. ago. Kudos to Zwift for listening to their customers and admitting they made a mistake. If you're putting out enough power, then you can make your way up the ranks and keep on racing. Zwift can wipe your Zwift Power profile and give you a clean slate to start over if you want, but I think you will lose all past data. Todd_S (Todd S) March 12, 2015, 3:09am #4 I'm new to the app. Whats the cheaters solution? It does the job as described. They do however have a disadvantage on any flat or downhill. I am always passed by everyone on the way up but can usually catch up on the way down (190cm/93kg). That a cat rider may win a d race but on zwiftpower they will be DQd for not riding an A race. Hardly true Say you train and commit yourself to being honest to achieve better fitness,and also better results, albeit virtually..then someone finishes better than you solely because of the BS numbers they entered. The algorithms very much help heavier riders in descents, which gets forgotten when all we discuss is climbing. IRL if your weight is 85kg, itll take you longer to climb the Ventoux than if your weight is 65. Zwift Insider makes a small commission on purchases made from these links, so please shop through them to support our efforts. So am I a super-drafter, the king of indoor efficiency? Im new to Zwift and its racing and what I like notice is how well I do compared to theRead more , This is not just about cheating. So its not that easy for light people to hide in the pack and benefit from the draft in Zwift, which is half the reality (in many ways its easier IRL). As an ambitioned A Racer with no smart scale, I stick to the higher end of the spectrum when setting my Zwift weight once a week. Other planned changes communicated last week, including plans to improve the reporting features in Zwift will be rolled out as planned. I still have no sprint kick so Im never winning anything anyway. I agree WTRL ZRL races dont feel like they have cheaters. If you're on Zwift and planning to get racing, then signing up to the third-party app ZwiftPower (opens in new tab) is an essential step. You enter a real race,out in the world, you are ready to finish in the top 20 for your best result of your life,then out of the blue a dirt bike rides past you goes tabletop and crossesRead more . Daniel Ostanek is production editor at Cyclingnews, having joined in 2017 as a freelance contributor and later being hired as staff writer. I am 42 years-old with a HRmax of ~169 bpm. But for most riders watts per kilo rules the day, determining which category you race in Zwift. It lets Zwift racers and race organisers track results and check out all the details of the races they've participated in, as well as monitoring and analysing their data. What particularly annoys me is being beaten by light but moderately powerful riders doing individual time trials on flat courses. But many people (including myself) prefer categorized races because we want to have a chance to actually battle it out for a win. Keep answering that question and youll keep most people on side. Im not heavy (68kg), have a typical climber/TT phenotype (no short sprint but good FTP). As soon as there is a single bit of flat cheerio! (ignoring that it evens out and you have the advantage on the hills but lets ignore that because its all about you and you should always podium in every race in your life, because mommy told you that you were special and big mean Zwift is making you work so hard on the flats). Because narcissistic people want to get validation from somewhere/someone that theyre special/different and if they cant get it legitimately theyll lie, cheat, and steal to do so. Most of the time, this will be what you use to figure out your race category. Is it doping though? I think it would be best if there was a separate cat system for flat routes (based on watts) and for hilly routes (based on w/kg), My understanding is that Zwift still applies real world physics to this situation, and maybe the article doesnt allude to it, in that on the flat Zwift wont use w/kg to drive speed but your pure watts. Some of the reasons Ive never pushed as hard on a real ride include: Stopping / slowing for junctions Traffic / pedestrians / other hazards Appreciating the view No watt meter on my real bike I dont race in real life I dont do workouts in real life Changing wind Threat of a headwind on my home journey And the biggest: WantingRead more , Agree with the above. Youre having fun winning (or nearly winning) C races! I guess I shouldnt be surprised. That was my first thought when a fellow Zwifter commented on my recent race, Somehow you always get your w/kg down. Would achieve the same thing. How doRead more . How big of a problem is reverse weight doping? My FTP/kg is 3.88, which I now know would make me a B racer (3.2-3.9). Would love your thoughts, please comment. Or theyll ride races 1-2 categories below their actual W/kg so they can still win and feel like that theyre legends. Some races (many, in fact) on Zwift work exactly like that. I may of course be wrong, and these are all true weights, but Id be very surprised if that were the case, in the races where this matters, riders have to submit a private youtube weigh-in video <2 hrs before the race. I am not in the least bit interested in competition cycling, so no point in doping in either direction as i would only be cheating myself. I know a woman who is 5 feet tall and almost 200lb. In the 2 months Ive been on Zwift Ive become a stronger rider than ever, because Zwift encourages me to push myself harder than I do in real life. Good heavens man, the sentence before You do you says If its not done during a competitive Zwift event, I dont see it as a problem. Obviously weight doping in races is cheating and not acceptable. Bump your Zwift weight up to 84kg and even with your new and improved 260-watt FTP youre only at 3.1 w/kg! hanging with the front group is very though for me because i am exactly at the bridge between A and B. Hi Using HRM is difficult as well as you max HRM changes with age mine is 159 flat out but I am over 60. EZ and self regulating. How about simply showing a percentage variance. Once you have a number for your FTP in watts, divide it by your weight in kilograms. I have long ago earned all of the challenges and levels. As a relatively light 69kg rider, I often feel at a disadvantage in the flatter races, of which there are many more than hilly ones. It points to the need for a results-based categorization system, which I discussed a month ago in the final post of my race category series. Okay, I now see in ZP where it has my minimum racer category (B) in my profile based on my last race, so I can choose B or A going forward. If its a big hill, well then w/kg has us equalised. If you were to meet meRead more . Choose a Zwift workout, but before you start riding look at the workout breakdown on the left side of the screen. For me its the most fun to see the progress I make on strava, new PR on climbs or on flats (hanging in on the back of a group) If I would lie about my weight I throw off my goals to Improve atleast make them near impossible for the coming time in the End I dont see the funRead more , I reversed dopped by mistake when I first started Zwift putting my height as my weight and weight as my height. nothing less. Generally weigh myself once a month. BA1 1UA. Races can use different schemes to categorise riders, but most of them use this scheme: You can, of course, progress through the ranks as you race. I was just naturally heavy and it put me at the top of the C class in w/kg. Visit our corporate site (opens in new tab). I should mention: many Zwifters have lied about their in-game weight for perfectly acceptable reasons. Exactly, although As arent that regulated, unless you hit the premier class, which is a very small section of A riders. If I get down to 52 kilos I can climb well but my sprinting is terrible. You only change it in Zwift and it should get picked up with regular backend processing periodically (maybe overnight). Blaming Zwift for eating disorders is not sensible. below this level you just have to take people's word for it. I was going flat out the whole race, and by no means cruising along watching my watts. I completely missed these as I reinvented the wheel, trying to stir up the hornets nest on the Zwift forums the other day. But It doesnt mean that that person is going to be the person riding the bike on the trainer during the race does it. I am not saying that everyone with a low weight on zwift is cheating, but I am suggesting that there are many who are because zwift favours light riders, and people do like to win. Enforce race category entry and youll fix much of the problems with Zwift racing. Although does WTRL encourage reverse weight doping? Im in the same boat. First, it shows that theyre listening to the community. Either these racers need to calibrate the trainer or they are sandbagging big time. Im quite heavy, at about 85kgs, but also 183cms tall (and 52 years old). Threshold HR is around 151 bpm. Hi, very impressive w/kg at 65. The race categories end up looking something like this (taken from the current Tour of Watopia race events): ZwiftPower, home of official race results for community races, adds some pure wattage breakpoints to the above list to help lightweight riders stay competitive. That gives me more hope for the future of the platform than any announcement from Zwift ever could. For example, if a rider has an FTP of 210 watts and weighs 75 kilograms, that means the rider's FTP is 2.8 w/kg. There is no progression from lower to higher categories through placement. Though our intent is to protect potentially vulnerable users by removing labels that can trigger unhealthy behaviour What are they trying to protect? . What anyone wants in any game or competition is to feel its fair, and as they look to make changes going forward, I hope people at Zwift always keep asking themselves this question: How can Zwifters see these races are fair?. You will receive a verification email shortly. there seems to be a lot of variability in power products and what people are using to feed into zwift. 8 months ago I was 96kg, but didntRead more , As a light (58kg) rider racing in the Bs it is very frustrating on flat routes where since the main thing that matters is raw watts and not w/kg I would have to put out well over 4 w/kg to keep up with the heavier guys and therefore I pretty much always get dropped before too long. They do? Zwift excessively rewards the athlete for being light and small. I climbed the Alpe last night for Stage 3 of the Tour of Watopia, missing my target of going under an hour by just over 12 seconds (Aargh!!). Noob question though, whats the etiquette around weighing with kit on or off. What if you are super committed and gain the weight in real life just so you can stay in the category , Excellent posts on perhaps the most serious non-hardware problem in Zwift right now. Frustrating to someone who tries so hard to compete in my weight class to get beat by cheaters. Some weight dopers are obvious and blatant other times its much less egregious. Thats not what I recall at all, everything is a race, even if you werent aware . Secondly, Zwifts statement says they agree there is a need for tools that deliver greater transparency to Zwift racing. Thats good to see, and we completely agree! I never thought i should weigh myself with my kit on.
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