Did you see where other companies tried to mimicking this, were promptly sued, and lost? Since their website is down and they are working hard on getting it back up, here is a link to their Instagram site so you can start getting some ideas of the product and their technology. I know the golf business is very tough, but this company could be the next failed Rife venture in 18-24 months. ODYSSEY O-WORKS #1: RRP 179. Sometimes technology seems to change literally overnight. Thanks Karl. Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide . I dont know the actual stats but 3 putts are very common for the average golfer over 20 feet, especially at 25-30 feet. Putted extremely well under 20 foot Almost all day if I missed from this distance it was a very simple tap in. Hoping someone can give me their impression of the Evnroll ER2 vs. the Stroke Lab Double Wide? Sometimes acoustics in a room can vary impression. That is the best description of how the gearing works. It does also soften the strike which would require some adjustment and where standard face or shallow milled face putters seem to meander on past on a breaking slick downhiller, this putter seems to have a much more consistent distance control capability that stays near the hole. I have to agree with many of the nay-sayers here whom are questioning the claim of gear effect of this putter. Traffic from this test is the reason why it isnt right now. The Mezz from lab golf sounds hard to beat for results. Ive been playing since the mid-1970s. Youll note that the grooves do not run the full width of the face, so if for some strange reason you feel you benefit from a dead toe, I suspect that would still be true. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If Rife is making putters, an Evnroll ER2 will be in the line. Also paid $99 plus tax. After watching Phil Mickelson putt a 25-footer off the 9th green on Friday at the Masters, I think wed all be wise to remind ourselves of Jack Nicklaus secret for putting down the speedy slopes at Augusta National. Im most interested in the 5 and 10 foot results (my misses). But as other have noted, 3 other factors count. We would love to have you to our facility, this way you can see the test for yourself. I describe it as the ball holding my intended line instead. The best putters ever made are, used putters why because they are only used once for half the price. Check that, would say the same about the Ping Eye-2 ironshow many years and dangling pieces of plastic and hanging weights all over the clubs have really improved them.. Or if they are coming to any? This time I brought in 2 ProV1x golf balls and was shocked how much more I liked this putter when not using the TopFlite balls scattered on the practice green. Once they try it they will see for themselves. If the face is shut and you hit the ball in the center of the face, you are going to miss the putt left (assuming you are aiming correctly). Due to increased demand, we are experiencing lengthened build times. Essentially, they have engineered a sweet spot hit to react like a mishit as far as distance is concerned. I have the ER2 and the ER5- both are murdered out and my ER2 has a Tour Stability Shaft. Here are the results. Nothing rolls like.. I absolutely love my evnroll. What puzzles me is, that the Evnroll putters seem to have no advantage on longer puts (20) It might be a stretch to think that this will be a end all to finding the perfect putter, but the concept is worth noting. We learned plenty. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! Doesnt matter who makes it or the cost. Nothing makes more putts on real golf courses where besides the feel & roll, an expert greenread is provided for your preferred speed to hole putts than the P&SI-EGOS!! Dont agree with the claims. I tend to think putters are a very personal thing. How does the putter know where the target is? The ball doesnt whiffle ball to the hole . The comparison graphic shown above is misleading wait, no its just plain wrong. What is important for people to know is that the Gearing only works if you connect with the ball on an off center hit WITH a square face. Which we did. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published), Contest Win a Custom Evnroll ER3 Tour Putter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBmo2nemU0&spfreload=10, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1dXsUmILmE. Truthfully, the leap from relative unknown to a bona-fide market mover is the result of countless hours of dedication to a specific objective that benefits from some sort of inflection point. Over and over again?? Best putter Ive ever owned. I removed the grip to put the larger Evnroll grip on it and realized that there was a counter-balance weight in the end of shaft. I recently dusted off my Two-Bar as well. After seeing videos of this technology we quickly reached out to Evnroll putters and asked for samples to be sent to the MyGolfSpy Test Facility for further evaluation. We just found this particular review a little hyped and the Gearing claim is what many of us are put off by., steer the ball back to the target, in particular. You cant tell me its too difficult to have 100 users for the test, it simply just takes longer. So I bought the the Odyssey Tuolon instead which gives me lots of control on the rolls. A putter that fits you well, that feels right will allow you to deliver more consistent contact more often, whatever the geometry of your swing, to start the ball on the intended line. Then I tried and feel in love with the Rife Switchback XL. Glad to see a robot in the test (and mention of robot testing in a couple other articles recently). I still putted much better with the Ketsch mid than anything else Ive tried which brings up how disappointed I am that the Ping Vault Oslo and Bergen are not as good as the Ketsch. We are currently working to a 5-7 business days build time plus shipping for each putter. And i see that a lot with other putters and players. Ummm.what is the article about and what are the conclusions, if any? But did you know that theres absolutely no evidence to suggest that a ball that starts rolling faster goes in the hole more often? What a world we now live in! The grooves job is to even out the distance on offcenter strikes. Today, we review the Inesis High MOI Putter. Well, that is exactly what our testers saw over and over again in our lab. For Evnroll, that putter is the ER2. The ping works much better on slower surfaces as it accelerates the ball off the face better but on the quick surfaces its harder to keep the ball close to the hole on longer putts. Not true. I bought the ER2 on eBay for $279am waiting for delivery..I have complete trust in the testers on this site as Ive not been steered in the wrong direction yet. If you are using a good ball like a Pro V or Taylomade TP the feel is very soft without being mushy. Odyssey DFX Seven 1 049 kr 1 499 kr. Rather, it is a function of the interaction between the ball and the club face, influenced by the distance between the club face and the club heads center of mass. If people would take the time to go to the website and understand that the two dots on the top of the head are intended to help guide you on left and right breakers. After today, there are 3 kinds of putters: Here is a basic overview of how these three types of putters (technology) work: As you can see from the graphic above, a putter that actually offers this type of technology could dramatically impact your ability to make more putts. It is a sharpshooter from 15-25 feet and performed better than the other two at these distances in particular. I gamed the ER-6R for several years before replacing it with the ER2. They can argue semantics all they want, but there are simple robot test results showing the effectiveness of this design like you have shown. This is due to the amount of material removed from the face to machine the grooves. I loved the sound, the feel, and the performance. After checking out the a little more from their website, its interesting that one of the byproducts seems to be that the putt distance is reduced from a standard putter, even when struck in the face center. The bigger nerds are going to cry foul if those words are used. It is possible if different spits on the putter face impart different forces on the ball because of the faces design. Still using my Guerin Rife Two Bar Hybrid Mallet after many years and it still is a great putter that I come back too time and time again. What if we told you that we saw itmake balls actually curve back towards the hole when mishit. Even if you wanted to limit it to single digit handicaps, I bet youd find a bunch in whatever area you went to. Chris is based out of Fort Collins, CO and his neighbors believe long brown boxes are simply part of his porch decor. I started making putts. Gravity is from up to down, not sideways. We all remember what titanium did to the driver. I assume you would have to hit it left of center to generate a right correction. The Er2 was something special in my hands. It costs a lot to create a left model and for a small company like they are its wiser to make sure the demand is there then spending money to sell to lefties. Conversely, for Evnroll, its an either-or proposition. This make me wonder if the EVNROLL putters over-correct slightly on longer putts. Lets check it out. The SG score is a RELATIVE scoring system, so it will change every time based on the putters it is being compared too. Our mission is #ConsumerFirst. As we mentioned robots have very specific purposes. THAT would be the putter to beat all putters! Results matter. Im so much more consistent. Definitely not bad performance but extremely similar to the Anser TR line from last year (the copper colored putters) Distance control was good. Question, I bought a used Evnroll ER-2 from my club that someone had traded in. Someone needs to come up with a putter that somehow merges the technologies of the SIK & EVNROL faces (while getting around the patents somehow). But Rifes iteration addressed what he saw as a key fitting flaw in existing models. Each feature has a purpose that ultimately supports better performance without compromising the aesthetic. The performance has carried over to the course and practice green. Like other companies, Rife purposely overbought certain pieces of inventory so that, as he says, we can sell as many putters as people will buy., Scotty Cameron is the 800-pound gorilla in the room when it comes to putters. In the meantime, which popular putter design would you like to see Evnroll update? Callaway Epic Forged irons - Reg flex Steelfiber, 4~AW, new! Do you know the answer to that? Golfers who want to score better should consider Evnroll putters for one reason: Performance. Although they are very limited. When we look at the number of putts per hole, and SG18, Evnroll putters filled the top 5, besting both of 2016s Most Wanted Putters. I love the ER2 but, the LAB Mezz is phenomenal! It had banged against other putters on the demo floor but the top-line was still in decent shape. When he's not coaching the local high school team, he's probably on the range or trying to keep up with his wife and seven beautiful daughters. This gives the golfer a subtle alignment reference for consistent lie angle positioning. Many golfers need the lighter head weights in their putters. That made finding the vertical sweet spot a bit of a adjustment. Have a great weekend. They will be out of business in less than five years. Thats ridiculous. This could be the best putter of all time but no one will pay 329 for it. When you think about that, its kind of amazing. No bribes, please. I think this will just take a little time to get used to compared to my previous putter. wonder if anyone on tour is using it yet? I bought the ER1 as the only one in the shop here in Australia. Out of their line up its the least ugly and only one I can see myself purchasing if what people are saying about the results are true. I am surprised, as a so called independent tester, you folks yourself did not call out Envroll for marketing hype of this product. Evnroll putters are the only putters with gearing technology, which helps steer the ball back to the target. Evnroll models dominated the top 5 from 5 feet. I had 3 clear miss-hits on the toe of the putter that all went in when normally they pull to the left. Still amazes me the power of marketing. Youve probably seen the videos. He was a great putter and did it with an old Bullseye, which is arguably one of the least forgiving putters out there. Sweet Face Technology utilizes closely spaced, precisely milled grooves to gear the ball back to center for accuracy and consistency on impacts across the face. Notable is that the conventional steel-shafted putters performed slightly better at 10 feet. I hate putters with offset, and that is the only thing they offer, so even if it gets more consistent distance and curves balls towards targets Id never feel comfortable using it, nor aligning it. Did you change your mind yet? Anything to save half a stroke a round. I suspect wed get along swimmingly in real life. Maybe the lefties should kneel on the first tee ala kapernick for the lack of respect toward the south paws. What we realized was that no matter what putter we tested, if it had PING TR grooves it almost always outperformed the putters that didnt. The TR groove story isnt about getting the ball rolling quickly, its about creating a consistent roll on every strike. Blah, blah, blah bottom line, gotta make money, blah, blah. Refinement necessitates a clear acknowledgement of products that define a brand. - YouTube So the new club is ready to take on my trusty gamer. We arent trolls just other golfers. Pardon me? As others have mentioned no lefty options? Also, I was able to try 2 of these models yesterday and can say the one thing I came away with is they felt very weak off the face. In the store it felt great to use but their putting surface was not great as had a bad roll in the surface which was difficult to see. There are, however, rare products that almost the day they are released seem to forever change the path of how golf is played. I have been rolling it into the center of my practice green quite accurate only missed 1 out of 20 because I did not hit it hard other wise it would have gone in as well. To make a ball curve, without the effect of gravity, can only be produced with aero force. I wish he had a center shafted half blade/mallet in line with something like the Rife Uno. They are milled differently or from a new metal. It reminds me of a old Knight putter my uncle gave to me when I was 13. However as you have pointed out MGS, you can set up a robot to hit a ball however youd like. Ok I heard about the New Evn roll putter and stopped in to check it out today, Jamie helped me and was very knowledgeable and helpful regarding putters ended up getting the ER 1 putter. Its quite an expensive putter so was not keen to purchase online without having used it. Folks think high cost equals better product so they purchase it. Made buckets on the last 18 including an eagle that I swear curved into the hole. I would love to believe that a putter costing $350 dollars would actually produce the skill it would take to reduce the number of putts, to warrant such a price. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, 4 Pais of FJ's (3 Icon Black, 1 Pro SL) Size 9 - $100 MOTIVATED TO MOVE THESE. as well as honest reporting on the latest issues affecting the game What a bunch of trolls. It felt like you were hitting wood or a wrench? TECH: Odyssey says the new O-Works insert promotes immediate topspin, reducing skid and improving accuracy regardless of your stroke. Practically, this means the brand will feature a single black-and-white color scheme that includes the grip and head cover. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. In the end it didnt matter because he had game and he had been using that same putter so long that he knew exactly how to control the distance. There is no gear effect in the interaction of the face of the putter and the ball because the club head does not rotate as a result of an offset between the contact point on the club face and the position of the center of mass. What about how quickly the cell phone virtually eliminated the payphone? I honestly couldnt read any further after the curve back toward the hole comment. But never say never, maybe Id be convinced to try another Rife designsomeday. Groove pattern is very important. You can post now and register later. If anything a weighted head requires more feel but that is my opinion and my experience. Evnroll ER2 vs. Stroke lab Double Wide? If the swing path and the face are not perpendicular the ball starts offline to the extent of their divergence. I paid $99 plus tax. There is a bit of a cautionary tale when it comes to Rife. The evolution of Evnroll requires a return to a cohesive, unifying, identity. Patented Due to increased demand, we are experiencing lengthened build times. I hit enough putts that my friends frequently ask to try it. I had a Spider Tour before being chosen to test the Evnroll. Hmmmmm I have a Scotty Cameron Studio 1.5 and love it. Love the evenroll technology but they headweights make the borderline unusable. Fantastic testing, thanks so much MSG, you guys are the best. No sweetness to the impact that I look for when dropping over $300. For you guys wondering HOW it works, check out this page: https://evnroll.com/technology, They still dont explain how the grooves make a mishit ball move back toward the hole, they simply say it will. People regularly spend more for putters that do less for them. Shortly after Evnrolls launch, other manufacturers started mimicking Rifes patented groove approach. Its brilliant. If it supposedly turns the ball in towards the hole due to gear effect then it really should have shined at the longer distances because as the distances increase, the impact of minor mishits increases significantly. I replaced it with the ER2 on a whim just to try it and boom, it stayed in the bag. What exactly that means remains to be seen. They should offer as optional a copper alloy / Terrillium insert with the parabolic groove technology ..also , Id like to see a more modern ER2 look like Piretti Matera Elite And, in the Id tell you but Id have to kill you category, I have it on good authority that Evnroll has at least one fascinating arrow in the quiver for 2023 that more or less follows a similar strategy. Sure it takes a bit of getting used to, but is well worth the effort. Having some idea of the handicaps of the testers will give more credability to the accuracy and meaningfulness of the test. You would think most of the curvature back toward center occurs in the first foot or 2 followed by a somewhat straight ball, but there has to be some influence to the side as well. Six years ago, Evnroll compelled golfers to consider the limits of how a putter could impact both the speed and direction of every putt. Legal proceedings aside, Evnrolls sales continued to climb. www.odysseygolf.com | Toe hang: Moderate | Average skid distance: 21.7 inches | Average topspin: 31.91rpm. This is where Rife believes he further separates himself from competitors. I like it enough that I will put a watch on Ebay for one from someone looking to move on their next bigger/better for a less than retail price sometime in 2017. This is what we call disruptive technology. If you hit the put with a closed face to the right of center, wouldnt it make the ball spin even further left? My apologies MGS, I certainly didnt want to be passive in my assertion that you seem to use information gathered from robots with a certain degree of discrimination, bias, and hypocrisy. If you feel the article was hyped up than maybe there is some truly amazing technology that you need to try out and test to form your own opinion. Grooves dont matter. The evolution of Evnroll requires a return to a cohesive, unifying, identity. At least as far as I know. Its quality thru and thru. Im getting the speed down very quickly and excited to see if my stats drop measurably over a full season. The consistency of roll is uncanny; makes lag putts easy. The traffic from this article to their site has caused some server issues. I read these comments about people hung up on the tester saying it curved the ball. Just depends on who is paying you advertising dollars, possibly? If Rife is making putters, an Evnroll ER2 will be in the line. This keeps the ball travelling on the high side of the target line..I can certainly back this up, it really does keep the ball above the break. Thats weird, the Nike Method Origin has the exact claim with their roll on mishits. All excellent putters but I was most consistent with the Evnroll. Thanks for the previous info on the Evnroll. Evnroll ER5v MidLock . Very interested in these, do you know if they are in any retail stores? Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. I have the ER6 and yes, I know I have to hit the ball a bit harder. 15-30 are the most common distances for most golfers. Is someone on the payroll of Evnroll? Take a green speed of 12-13 versus one of 7.5 and one can notice a significant difference in the results of the putts. Not sure why more people arent rolling these putters, George low wizard Jack Nicklaus used model. And the tech works. Then you say its the higher ranked putter because of its SG18 of 1.51, but in your 2015 most wanted putter overall winner you show the Ping Cadence at SG18 = 2.07. Have you actually used one of these putters? If they ever come out with a center-shafted non-offset model, and it was a cheaper price I might give them a look. The face tech is real and works. I removed the original grip-weighted shaft and replaced it with a conventional shaft and grip which gives it a nice heavy head feel (400 g mid-weight head face-balanced ) which translates to a smoother stroke instead of a hit! Its not only the individual putter but the visual message it presents stacked alongside 15 or 20 putters of the same brand. high . Unreal roll they put on the ball, Too bad a company looking to revolutionize putters doesnt offer lefties. The critical mass on the outside of the face is greater than the critical mass on the inside. mid. I do wonder if the design allows for the putter to impart different spin on the ball depending on where on the face the ball is struck. Gear effect is an aerodynamic producted effect and not a ground produced effect. The odyssey is an older putter with a soft insert in the face to slow the impact down. Guerin Rife has been around a long time and the Evnroll putter does exactly what it claims and looks great doing it. If the hardness of the face varied outward from the center, or sweet spot, then contact in an area where the face was substantially softer would result in less energy transfer, but the difference in hardness would have to be quite noticeable. The ball comes off the face so well in comparison that it goes quite fast when I give it a bit bigger swing. Sincerely, Everything else is between the ears. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); There putter line looks like all rest Ping, Taylormade, Odyssey etc. But after a technology is proven it also had to work with the multiple ways a golfer will use that particular putter (stroke type, etc.). Using the yes putter now its fine. Not yet tested it myself just repeating what others say. If I were to tell you that with Evnroll technology, no matter where on the face you hit the ball, it ends up in the same spot. Either Rife and his team use available resource to produce retail models or they use those same resources for prototyping and special projects. Did MGS change their testing results/procedures from previous putter tests. It is fact. Am I right in seeing that there are no left handed options currently available? How often are you all shanking your putter? I tried some of their models but just couldnt control the amount of rolls I wanted. One could argue that this is either beneficial (is a year really enough time to create a quantifiably better putter?) MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. weird laws in guatemala; les vraies raisons de la guerre en irak; lake norman waterfront condos for sale by owner THe other items not indicated in this test were the green speeds and quality of the testers with respect to putting. This leads me to believe that they would be great putters for fast greens, but would take a lot of getting used to on slow greens. I am very happy with it and don't feel like I have to hit it harder. Gaming a Sub70 005 Sycamore wide blade that I snagged for $119 (new theyre only $169). No lefty option for us. Pros "Isn't it funny? If you play on the local muni or other "Value" public courses with slow greens it takes a lot of effort to hit lag putts outside of 50'. you mention the two dots on the top as an additional alignment aidand they are, although, as Rife himself points out:Each design has two small, unpainted dots on the top line of the putter 1/8 to either side of the center cavity sightline. The putter rolls pretty smooth. Outstanding ball roll data on Quintic ? Dont be cheap if it brings you pleasure or better golf scores. Millions of dollars of R&D and still very little data that suggests newer tech is better tech. Sure, he could do it, but why? Evnroll ER2 4 999 kr. If this thing is that good cmon MGS guys and hook us up . I know at least one European tour player is using it. Odyssey etc. Wouldnt it make sense to try this instead of always spending $$$ on Camerons? I will say this. The dots also assist the golfer on aligning breaking putts. My setup was completely wrong and we fixed it. Having gamed several Rifes in the past, my opinion is that grooves do put a smoother roll on the ball, and Rife himself has an eye for a clean design (even if the shapes are highly derivative/copies). Lets go back to what piqued our curiosity about this technology. I suspect its quite possibly because the team saw some great results and got excited. ***if resources are a show-stopper, license or sell inserts to small custom designers (Coggin, Piretti, etc)), As option: a zero-torque Stability style shaft optimized optimized for their heads. What forces are in play that are making the ball curve? This is my favorite golf site and Tony is my favorite author on here. As youll see below, weve tested it. Evnroll ER2 vs. Stroke lab Double Wide? Evnroll putters werent available in time for our 2016 Most Wanted Putter test, so to evaluate the effectiveness of this new technology, we put fourEvnroll models up against the best performing putters from our recent 2016 putter test. Proven what not to be true? Find a putter that looks good at address, is easy to align, and has the weight and feel you like. Information. I know its industry standard to have 10-20 people in these type of tests. Too light at 370 Gm ? It took quite a few years to apply this simple thought to a putter. Companies such as Evnroll, Yeti, Weathertech, and others acquire large finical backing & loans so they can put a marketing plan into practice.. None of this means a product is better. Sorry, Karl, but gear effect is not an aerodynamic phenomenon. He can handle us disagreeing with him or challenging his claims politely like a gentleman. I have two putters that I use a lot, an odyssey and a PING TR cadence. The mention of Cameron is more so to illustrate a key difference between Evnroll and a much larger operation. These look really interesting, but the price point is insane for something you likely cant test out at your local golf store/ pro shop. C $253.55. The biggest change was a putting lesson. Odyssey steel-shafted Putters - 0.078. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Smaller and lighter with improved shot tracking. Do you have the courage to pay an apology to MGS and reinstate their credibility they lost with you Just wondering.. Great work MGS Keep up the great work?? Really liked the spider tour and would likely still be gaming it off its want for the ER2. Jack, skepticism is a critical trait in the scientific community. Thanks for a laymans explanation. Im certainly not going to spend $330-$380+ on a putter I dont like the look of at setup. Testing them myself and yes they are. Odyssey DFX One 1 499 kr. I could possibly buy the criticism that pros mishit the putter less often than amateurs..but no one hits the dead-nuts center of the face every time. PGA SS Shenandoah Texas. 5 puts less than my previous round just 3 days earlier on the same course and the rounds were within one shot of each other. I know Odyssey is the #1 Putter on Every Tour but Scotty Cameron is still the #1 brand to which every other milled putter is compared.. 304 Stainless provide a great finish sets up nice behind the ball. One thing that I dont see is the test at 30. I have a Mezz.1 prototype, number 33 of the first 100. Your mis hits are better and it truly rolls the ball better than anything else. It was that impressive. As long as the face is square to the swing path at contact the ball will come off the face on a path that is perpendicular to the face. Why not save this article for April 1? I spent about 45 minutes at PGASS today and really liked the ER2. Hi Mick, I called them earlier to order a putter.
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